Comments on: World Health Organization’s Ranking of the World’s Health Systems http://thepatientfactor.com/canadian-health-care-information/world-health-organizations-ranking-of-the-worlds-health-systems/ Mon, 07 May 2012 22:02:39 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Wrabbit007 http://thepatientfactor.com/canadian-health-care-information/world-health-organizations-ranking-of-the-worlds-health-systems/comment-page-1/#comment-562 Wrabbit007 Mon, 07 May 2012 22:02:39 +0000 http://thepatientfactor.com/?p=175#comment-562 This is all true - but only for the wealthy Americans. I've been to free clinics, and they are nothing like what you describe here. In Canada, at least everyone has a fair and equal chance to seek treatment. You don't have to be nobility or a lottery winner to get health care like you do in the U.S. This is all true – but only for the wealthy Americans. I’ve been to free clinics, and they are nothing like what you describe here. In Canada, at least everyone has a fair and equal chance to seek treatment. You don’t have to be nobility or a lottery winner to get health care like you do in the U.S.

]]> By: admin http://thepatientfactor.com/canadian-health-care-information/world-health-organizations-ranking-of-the-worlds-health-systems/comment-page-1/#comment-500 admin Tue, 06 Dec 2011 22:54:31 +0000 http://thepatientfactor.com/?p=175#comment-500 Bruno, It's interesting to note that Brazil has both a private and public health care system. Public health care, whether it's in Canada or Brazil, is not free. At least in Brazil you can exercise your freedom of choice in health care and pay to access medical services in the private system. Thanks for sharing your experiences. Bruno,
It’s interesting to note that Brazil has both a private and public health care system. Public health care, whether it’s in Canada or Brazil, is not free. At least in Brazil you can exercise your freedom of choice in health care and pay to access medical services in the private system. Thanks for sharing your experiences.

]]> By: BrunoM http://thepatientfactor.com/canadian-health-care-information/world-health-organizations-ranking-of-the-worlds-health-systems/comment-page-1/#comment-499 BrunoM Tue, 06 Dec 2011 02:12:23 +0000 http://thepatientfactor.com/?p=175#comment-499 Well I say that I had bad experience in Canada or Ontario with the healthcare, it's free but I have to say it's not the best. I had to get stiches done and I had to wait for 13 hours to get myself treated by a doctor, and the nurses basically ignored me during that time and told me to sit down. And I basically waited for 13 hours by the doctor. Once I got thru the doctor, he was rude, same as the nurse that was standing by him. Well I got my sitches, but I had to pay for the medication and cruches. Finally I can't find any family doctor, that I can go reguarly the once a year thing, or if I have some illness I can't have a family doctor. Now I've been living in Brazil for 3 years now, and we have here two systems the private and public. Now I went thru both, the private I say was excellent no wait times nothing. Doctor treated me with respect and looked after me. Now for the public which people complained about it, well I had a biking accident nothing serious, but had to get also stiches. I was actuall closer to a public place than a private, so I went there. Didn't have to have any ID just showed up, and as soon as I got there the nurse told me to go to the doctor's office. I waited there for 2 minutes and the nurse showed up and looked at my knee, well he cleaned it up, and said the doctor will come and see you shortly, 10 minutes later the doctor showed up, and said well we have to give you anesthetic to your knee so we can remove all the small debrees in it, then also stich it up. Well he did it, and after stiching me up he bandaged my knee, and said to go to the other room to get a tetanus shot. He was really friendly, and told me some jokes. Finally on the other room the nurse showed up right away and gave me the shot. And told me to come back tommorow to change the bandage, and I went there for 7 days, to change it and after the 10th day they removed the stiches. I say I was impressed, and I don't know why people complained about it, and I even told the doctor how it was in Canada, and he just chuckled. Well I know now where I can go and where I don't have to spend a dime on medicines shots and doctors consultation. Well I say that I had bad experience in Canada or Ontario with the healthcare, it’s free but I have to say it’s not the best. I had to get stiches done and I had to wait for 13 hours to get myself treated by a doctor, and the nurses basically ignored me during that time and told me to sit down. And I basically waited for 13 hours by the doctor. Once I got thru the doctor, he was rude, same as the nurse that was standing by him. Well I got my sitches, but I had to pay for the medication and cruches. Finally I can’t find any family doctor, that I can go reguarly the once a year thing, or if I have some illness I can’t have a family doctor.

Now I’ve been living in Brazil for 3 years now, and we have here two systems the private and public. Now I went thru both, the private I say was excellent no wait times nothing. Doctor treated me with respect and looked after me. Now for the public which people complained about it, well I had a biking accident nothing serious, but had to get also stiches. I was actuall closer to a public place than a private, so I went there. Didn’t have to have any ID just showed up, and as soon as I got there the nurse told me to go to the doctor’s office. I waited there for 2 minutes and the nurse showed up and looked at my knee, well he cleaned it up, and said the doctor will come and see you shortly, 10 minutes later the doctor showed up, and said well we have to give you anesthetic to your knee so we can remove all the small debrees in it, then also stich it up. Well he did it, and after stiching me up he bandaged my knee, and said to go to the other room to get a tetanus shot. He was really friendly, and told me some jokes. Finally on the other room the nurse showed up right away and gave me the shot. And told me to come back tommorow to change the bandage, and I went there for 7 days, to change it and after the 10th day they removed the stiches. I say I was impressed, and I don’t know why people complained about it, and I even told the doctor how it was in Canada, and he just chuckled. Well I know now where I can go and where I don’t have to spend a dime on medicines shots and doctors consultation.

]]> By: AndreaH http://thepatientfactor.com/canadian-health-care-information/world-health-organizations-ranking-of-the-worlds-health-systems/comment-page-1/#comment-456 AndreaH Tue, 25 Oct 2011 15:14:34 +0000 http://thepatientfactor.com/?p=175#comment-456 Will do. Thanks for your response. Will do. Thanks for your response.

]]> By: admin http://thepatientfactor.com/canadian-health-care-information/world-health-organizations-ranking-of-the-worlds-health-systems/comment-page-1/#comment-455 admin Tue, 25 Oct 2011 14:47:46 +0000 http://thepatientfactor.com/?p=175#comment-455 Andrea, Each of the WHO's reports covers a specific subject. Their 2010 report is about the financing of health systems. Their next report will cover health research. I'm not sure if or when they will revisit health system performance but you're right it would be interesting to see how current rankings would compare. Let me know if you come across any current studies or reports covering health system performance. Andrea,
Each of the WHO’s reports covers a specific subject. Their 2010 report is about the financing of health systems. Their next report will cover health research. I’m not sure if or when they will revisit health system performance but you’re right it would be interesting to see how current rankings would compare. Let me know if you come across any current studies or reports covering health system performance.

]]> By: AndreaH http://thepatientfactor.com/canadian-health-care-information/world-health-organizations-ranking-of-the-worlds-health-systems/comment-page-1/#comment-454 AndreaH Tue, 25 Oct 2011 12:46:21 +0000 http://thepatientfactor.com/?p=175#comment-454 This report was published in 2000 with source data from 1997, so the data is now 14 years old. I wonder when they will publish more current rankings and how/if they will differ? I had a look and see that there has been another World Health Report, published in 2010, but I did not find any world-wide rankings for health systems. This report was published in 2000 with source data from 1997, so the data is now 14 years old. I wonder when they will publish more current rankings and how/if they will differ?
I had a look and see that there has been another World Health Report, published in 2010, but I did not find any world-wide rankings for health systems.

]]> By: CARL REVINE http://thepatientfactor.com/canadian-health-care-information/world-health-organizations-ranking-of-the-worlds-health-systems/comment-page-1/#comment-404 CARL REVINE Wed, 06 Jul 2011 16:42:55 +0000 http://thepatientfactor.com/?p=175#comment-404 Of course everyone thinks they are as or more important than the next guy. We are a fast food society which expects everything now, regardless of how hungry you are. As someone who has experienced both health care systems (the US and Canada) first hand I can tell you, the wait times are not much different. However, in the US if you have private insurance, you will be greeted with open arms like your checking into the Hyatt Regency. In Canada you are greeted with disdain and told to sit down. In the US the floors are shinny buffed with an expensive machine daily using some kind of toxic cleaner and wax. In Canada the floors are dull but clean having been cleaned with some environmentally safe cleaner but without the special polymer based coating. Canadians are mostly treated like cattle. The quality of health care is not much different depending on your condition. The US has centers of excellence which do advanced research and are well funded. In Canada there is advanced research on a much smaller scale. In the US if you don't have insurance you avoid seeing the doctor unless your on your death bed, in Canada people fill Emergency rooms with relatively minor complaints, or you see you GP on a regular basis. The treatments in Canada are more standard and well tested and endorsed by Health Canada, even stricter then the FDA. As for the so called rationing, it's not really rationing, it's prioritizing based on the urgency for treatment, if it can wait it will while the resources are committed to the people who can't wait. in the US resources are committed to the people who can pay others are directed to free clinics. Of course everyone thinks they are as or more important than the next guy. We are a fast food society which expects everything now, regardless of how hungry you are. As someone who has experienced both health care systems (the US and Canada) first hand I can tell you, the wait times are not much different. However, in the US if you have private insurance, you will be greeted with open arms like your checking into the Hyatt Regency. In Canada you are greeted with disdain and told to sit down. In the US the floors are shinny buffed with an expensive machine daily using some kind of toxic cleaner and wax. In Canada the floors are dull but clean having been cleaned with some environmentally safe cleaner but without the special polymer based coating. Canadians are mostly treated like cattle. The quality of health care is not much different depending on your condition. The US has centers of excellence which do advanced research and are well funded. In Canada there is advanced research on a much smaller scale. In the US if you don’t have insurance you avoid seeing the doctor unless your on your death bed, in Canada people fill Emergency rooms with relatively minor complaints, or you see you GP on a regular basis. The treatments in Canada are more standard and well tested and endorsed by Health Canada, even stricter then the FDA. As for the so called rationing, it’s not really rationing, it’s prioritizing based on the urgency for treatment, if it can wait it will while the resources are committed to the people who can’t wait. in the US resources are committed to the people who can pay others are directed to free clinics.

]]> By: One man’s crusade to heal Canada’s health-care woes | Adrian Brijbassi http://thepatientfactor.com/canadian-health-care-information/world-health-organizations-ranking-of-the-worlds-health-systems/comment-page-1/#comment-399 One man’s crusade to heal Canada’s health-care woes | Adrian Brijbassi Fri, 17 Jun 2011 19:31:03 +0000 http://thepatientfactor.com/?p=175#comment-399 [...] licences to doctors who haven’t been trained in Canada puts patients at risk. Problem is, the World Health Organization ranks our health-care system 30th in the world, behind places like Colombia and Saudi Arabia. Also, if you’re sick and need a doctor, would you [...] [...] licences to doctors who haven’t been trained in Canada puts patients at risk. Problem is, the World Health Organization ranks our health-care system 30th in the world, behind places like Colombia and Saudi Arabia. Also, if you’re sick and need a doctor, would you [...]

]]> By: admin http://thepatientfactor.com/canadian-health-care-information/world-health-organizations-ranking-of-the-worlds-health-systems/comment-page-1/#comment-392 admin Thu, 05 May 2011 04:30:10 +0000 http://thepatientfactor.com/?p=175#comment-392 April, The citation is correct. Perhaps you read the table too quickly. April,
The citation is correct. Perhaps you read the table too quickly.

]]> By: April http://thepatientfactor.com/canadian-health-care-information/world-health-organizations-ranking-of-the-worlds-health-systems/comment-page-1/#comment-391 April Wed, 04 May 2011 20:03:47 +0000 http://thepatientfactor.com/?p=175#comment-391 Admin - This is not the source for the data you cite. On the "Annex 10 Table" Canada ranks 30th and the United States is 72nd. There are a variety of tables in the WHO report which rank the countries on different criteria, thus moving the order around. Which table are you citing here, as it is not the "Over All Performance" table. Thanks. Admin – This is not the source for the data you cite. On the “Annex 10 Table” Canada ranks 30th and the United States is 72nd. There are a variety of tables in the WHO report which rank the countries on different criteria, thus moving the order around. Which table are you citing here, as it is not the “Over All Performance” table. Thanks.

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